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What the Heck Is Going on With These U.F.O. Stories? - The Ezra Klein Show

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Earlier this month, a news outlet called The Debrief published a story that included, to put it mildly, some explosive material. The story centered on David Grusch, a decorated for... Show More

Earlier this month, a news outlet called The Debrief published a story that included, to put it mildly, some explosive material.

The story centered on David Grusch, a decorated former combat veteran who has worked in multiple government intelligence agencies and served on the Pentagon’s Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force. In the story, Grusch said he had decided to come forward as a whistle-blower, testifying under oath to Congress that there are longstanding covert programs within the U.S. government that possess crash materials of “nonhuman origin.” His claims are backed by multiple on-the-record sources from the intelligence community.

The main reactions to this story have been to either embrace it as definitive truth or dismiss it out of hand. I wanted to approach it differently. What is actually being claimed here? Which claims have evidence, and which don’t? How does this story fit into the broader context of U.F.O. revelations over the past few years? There is a lot to be curious about here

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Jason Scott Montoya @JasonSMontoya · Jul 26, 2023
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