This is an episode of The Pomp Podcast with host Anthony "Pomp" Pompliano and guest, Hany Rashwan. He is the founder of crypto companies Amun AG and 21Shares AG. He previously founded social commerce company Ribbon and enterprise fintech company Payout.

In this conversation, we discuss crypto indexing, US market vs European market, institutional interest, ESG bitcoin, 21 Shares’ AUM growth, and when countries will buy bitcoin.

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Intro
00:44 - Institutional adoption of public crypto markets
02:41 - ETF’s vs ETP’s
03:29 - 21 Shares products
04:51 - 21 Shares AUM
05:26 - Amun tokens vs ETF’s
06:44 - How big is Amun?
07:52 - How the tokens work
09:48 - Active management
13:02 - Partnering with Cathie Wood
18:30 - Institutional investors in Europe vs US
21:03 - Regulators in Europe vs US
24:13 - Recruiting
29:18 - Do institutions have strong hands?
33:14 - Countries and Corporations buying BTC
41:28 - Special bitcoin is BS
46:26 - Bitcoin solves the climate crisis
50:17 - What Hany is most excited about