"[Woke] is this rigid conformity of progressive orthodoxy that seeks to enforce a conform view, that rejects pluralism, that rejects free speech, that rejects divergent views.

What I'm talking about is this rigid progressive orthodoxy that is anti-pluralistic, that seeks to stifle dissension and enforce bludgeon people into conformity. It’s also an attack on free speech.

And yet Republican governors and legislators all around the country are banning books. I'm not a fan of doing that. I'm a limited government guy. I don't think you ban squat, just stand up.

That's why I think you have to have cultural institutions to stand up for these things, not laws. We have the laws, we have the First Amendment. Cultural institutions that stand up for these things."